Your Playing Lacks Feeling And Soul! |
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Your Playing Lacks Feeling And Soul! |
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Aug 16 2017, 04:37 PM |
I've some really cool words by Ben Higgins and Rusty Cooley about this topic:
Ben's words at his facebook: "I don't think guitarists (or all musicians) have an agreed understanding of what 'feel' really is, or what it's 'supposed to be'. When people criticise a guitarist who uses more notes than them as not having any feel, I don't think they really know themselves what it is they're saying. What do they mean by 'feel' exactly? Are they talking about a particular emotion? If so, what should that emotion be? Anger? Guilt? Confusion? Joy? Mirth? Irritation? Love? When we ask that question we suddenly realise how ridiculous the concept of 'feel vs no feel' is. People always hold up Dave Gilmour (sorry, Dave) as an example of feel. Ok... so what emotion is Dave feeling during the solo to The Wall or Comfortable Numb? Is he feeling it all the way through? Does he feel it every single time he plays it? Does he feel that same emotion through the rest of the song or does he go through several different emotions running from anxiety to pride to fury to regret to whatever else? The idea that musicians are constantly feeling some sort of emotion throughout their performances is bullshit. If this were true, you would be emotionally exhausted and nervously shattered after a single performance. It's just not true. Playing with 'feel' isn't really about feeling an emotion constantly throughout a performance. It's more about presence. I AM HERE RIGHT NOW. And you can be in that moment whether you're playing two notes or two hundred. It's about feeling what you're doing in the moment. You can be reciting the solo to Stairway to Heaven whilst you're sat watching the tv, taking no notice or interest in what you're doing. No feel. Or you can be bursting through something by Yngwie or Satriani and be totally THERE. That's feel." Rusty's words: "It's just like trying to tell the drummer to play with more feeling. 'Can you put in more feeling?' 'Wait, what is my motivation?' "How to keep all the YouTube naysayers happy? Oh boy, that's a whole other can of worms. [Laughs] "First time I realized that how much BS was behind it was when I saw somebody slammin' Shawn Lane. Really?! One of the greatest guitar players ever. "And if you've got anything bad to say then there's something wrong with you. I mean, everybody's got their own opinions, music is in the ear of the beholder, so to speak. "But if you don't like it, don't listen to it. And certainly don't comment on it. Go somewhere where you do like. "I very rarely ever engage in it, because you can't engage with people like that. It's kinda bringing yourself down to that level. "But what I would do is I would approach it in very methodical and polite way and try and be analytical about it, and say, 'Well, why are you thinking this?' Or, 'Could you show me how to do it? Show me what I'm doing wrong. Send me some Mp3s. Where is your video so I can watch and learn from you?' "It's like, get out from behind the internet. If you actually practiced your instrument you wouldn't have to diss people because you're feeling bad about yourself. "Feeling is... there's not only one kind of feeling. If you talked to somebody that wasn't a musician and you said 'feelings,' there's hate, anger, happiness, joy, whatever! There's tons of feelings that humans have. "But when you're a guitar player there's only one feeling. And when they say 'feeling' that's what they mean. "It's like, come on man! If you want to hear more of that feeling, get a box of tissues. Have a good cry and come back later, we'll be here. [Laughs] "The feeling I'm trying to evoke is somebody being beaten over the head with an axe. [Laughs]" What do you think? What's feeling when referring to guitar playing? -------------------- My lessons
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Aug 17 2017, 08:50 AM |
I replied to Ben too. Of course, I had to lower the tone but I said, "It's like comparing a quickie to long sex" they both have feelings, just different
This post has been edited by Phil66: Aug 17 2017, 10:06 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Aug 17 2017, 02:36 PM |
To me the debate is not about feeling the "right" feeling - rather conveying something that is beyond a bunch of patterns mastered in the bedroom I totally agree. So the critic should be "This solo lacks creativity", or "This doesn't say anything to me", but not that it has not feeling. The feeling in that case would be "boredom", "Frustration", "Uncreative", "Unsinpired" -------------------- My lessons
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Aug 17 2017, 04:25 PM |
Just remembered this:
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Aug 17 2017, 10:07 PM |
Thank you Mr Jones
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Aug 18 2017, 04:25 AM
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Finger tone (or just the way you press down) and amp tone
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Sep 8 2017, 01:59 PM |
And, I think this goes for both whole songs or just guitar leads, I think anyone who's been recording knows how much variation a few different takes can represent. You can record a solo take 10 times and just not get that vibe that you want, then all of a sudden it's just there... or you go home and redo another day and you get the right take on the first try. Well, that's my 5 cents on feeling. I can't agree more with this. Each take has it's own soul. It happens with guitar solos, but it also happens with arrangements, and other instruments like bass or drums. (and obviously vocals). The "feel" of each take is different and sometimes you hear two takes that seem to be the same thing but there is some kind of feel that makes one of them different. It's interesting.... -------------------- My lessons
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Sep 8 2017, 07:17 PM |
Feel (and even just general rhythm to some extent) is an intangible in music. But it's probably the most important element of it. Or at least on equal footing with harmony and melody.
Case in point - all the great blues guitar players. If you just analyze their technique or speed, there's not a lot going on. But somehow they captivate us. Musos and non-musos alike. This post has been edited by klasaine: Sep 8 2017, 07:17 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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